@captainmarlowe Thanks a lot for a lot of valid points regarding search and categorization! Rigged 3D Models | CGTrader 3D Models Buy or download free Rigged 3D Models Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. We had the experience of a 3d modeling agents (UKW) stealing our models before and stopped selling with them, from there on we put a small signature on each model. I will leave the items here to see if cg trader does manage to change things around over the next 12 months and if not will simply sell them on turbosquid. disavantages: low budget clients willing to get low quality models for 5$. If a model you like does not have a suitable file format, be sure to see whether the designer offers free file conversions for the model. Like when something breaks that is no longer in production like your favorite mug or something. What I eventually hope to have is a healthy fair open market place, where collaboration , communication, people empowerment and evolution prevails over control systems, central power structures, monopolistic thinking, and maintaining of a status qou. The Ts model does not support such thing and is not up to the task of modern time needs for this industry. Yeah nasty stuff, but hey, I better shut up because I'm one of the hypocrites that keeps supporting that place by having my work on it. Another thing that makes CGT better than TS is the friendships that one is able to make within the artist community. There are lots of fun ways can gain points on cg trader . It is currently selling on the of TS is much higher than on CGT. I ended up terminating my account, seeing as I couldn't operate the store under such conditions - not only did I risk having the work I'd put in uploading items undone at any moment, I also had no idea what pitfalls I had to avoid to not have items taken down. In my experience often times a client will ask for certain models but then one must take into consideration what computer specs they have because you don't want your client to get frustrated with the models you buy. I'm afraid the end of Ts is near and nothing can stop it, maybe the best they can do is raise royalty's to 80% for all sellers, but then again if they don't change the censorship policy's they are applying right now then it will probably not be enough to stop the downfall in the long run. Some may post their old stuff they just don't want to ask money for, consequentially it is also not representative of the work they currently do. Then there is the stupid "reputation" point issue. Then we're all back at Square one again. Thanks iterateCGI, from the start we thought it will be best to expose the issues publicly, so other cg 3D sellers can see for themselves what they are exposed to when dealing with Turbosquid. Considering it as a seller, CGTrader is NOT better because I have almost no sales at all while I have about 10 sales every month on TS. They call that "3D Industry" on the download report .. it's rare but it's happend (one time for me) It certainly is an interesting read all together, thanks for documenting it so well and make the whole thing public, although I hope you don't stay embarked on a power struggle whit Ts management. I'd rather look into ways to create my own site, cause it's a bit tedious to sift through neverending site rules from neverending projects. Renderer: Cyclse. We need to broaden our spectrum and clientele if we want to make more money. Bangalore Escort Order 3D models. Using TurboSquid 3D Models in Virtual Worlds. We will rather stick with cgtrader and know our models are safe, although the issue with finding CG models on the site is a little problem, but as long as they stay honest well be supporting them rather than supporting a bunch of thiefs and if we need to up our prices then so be it. In response to your comments kanga, I would like to add this to the conversation. (Edge loops, quad poly, simple overall structure) Full Rigged with over 30 facial blendshapes and 20+ skin morph targets in order to produce better rig quality and remove some joints issues such as overlaped knees, stretched hips, etc. i have sold it to millenium shipping containers amongst other professional business. Turbosquid immediately shuts any links down. I would expect those kinds of charges from a real art gallery with real world space that could sell my work for 10,000 a pop, not some virtual space that sells my work for 50 bucks. In order to post an answer, you need to sign in. The claim Turbosquid made was that it infringed on Games Workshop IPs. And something ells , I have seen people criticize the young inexperienced and even blame them to some point for some negative experiences over here. @Supercigale, this is worrying to read, i think such things shouldn't happen. Just my fifty cents. --GENERAL--. Needed something better and found it at CGt. So here on CGt I could have just asked the buyer if he would be interested in that sort of deal. Work directly with a 3D artist for your project. It is also wise to invest in good ideas that are future proof. the success of CGTrader (and other sites as well) contributed to that. Turbosquid just has it backwards. So my own experience on sales is of little value. And precisely here is where I think resides the greater problem. I make very nice sale here, and several each month, not as much as TurboSquid, but with 85% royalties I'm not complaining. The site owners could also act on other various levels : Agree with every word above. What would be your opinion? Yes indeed! Maybe they should just smack up one big "We're cheaper than TurboSquid" banner and push it into Google Ads? We've been on TS over 20 years and on CG trader since their start. Maybe some people don't want to bother about different programs compatibility, while others don't mind to spent time configuring things in different applications. You know what is cgtrader but as firstcomer you must have strong impression that this is 3d printing site where you can buy new 3d printed iphone case which will be shipped to you. Comment goo's like this, quote "Awesome model, converted this guy over into maya and he looks great" end quote. They have a CheckMate program which gives you a higher percentage back from selling your model. We are currently working to redesign the homepage to show off both CG and 3D print ready models. Click here to submit yours . I started uploading some of my items to cg trader to see if it generated any income but as I have 70+ items and 0 sales I have decided to stop. Hi adentonclark, I have to be honest about my view else who am i. I believe this would solve the 'bad content mixed with the quality models' problem. Lots of people buy posters to print and put on their walls especially students. You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. We all agree that CGT is the better site and needs to win the fight but we all need to reach out to the really influential people and make sure they start promoting the site or we won't win. You can just buy and return it if it is not to your satisfaction. If you look around on the net on all the various forums everyone always mentions Turbosquid be it positively or negatively. Such an arrogant attitude. I used to hate how it would crash constantly or find that half way through the process even after saving a draft,suddenly the poly count numbers or other text, numbers etc suddenly got erased. I had hoped that CGTrader would want to be the kings but i have to be honest if you licence a thing only here you have to own it forever, as you cannot sell that licence. They could put down an amount between 1 to 5 bucks as a deposit and after sampling the model as you suggested they could deduct that amount from the final sale. Logout from your account and go to CGTrader home page. But we forgot about the buyers. If I narrow to "man", it's even worse : 64 out of 128 models displayed are scanned 3d models. Since you havent contacted us about any of these changes being incorrect, we are resetting prices on these models one final time (see the attached CSV file listing these models). In fact I hope that once buyers begin to see the difference in quality on this site they will jump ship but the thing that still trips up CGTrader is the consumer confidence. I could go on and on, it kept me puzzled. I do feel cg trader gives the artists a better price and the share is fair . That is the most important reason for them to be on CGTrader and it is essential to reward them for helping artist and the site earn money! How Can we get 94% of Royalty?? @skifx, apparently your feeding hand is just too small. But based on the results, we see that it makes sense to show off the CG part on the homepage as well. - Limiting free objects to, let's say licensed objects like Stars Wars or Lego or whatever in an unlimited number, but to a few when it comes to "showcase" objects, let's say, 4 to 5 per designer, to help potential buyer judge the overall quality of the seller objects My initial stance on this was, ok fine then my Ts account can stay up for those few that seemingly do not know anything ells outside of Ts. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. 3D is great for creating things that can restore old products. They recently changed their search engine over there and when you search for Free models it comes up with a few free ones and many more paid ones so from that perspective Turbosquid makes your life even harder lol. 3. In response he founded this place on the core principal that the artist would come first. This concept is not new and it seems to work well over here (http://market.envato.com/) it is a sad reality, some sellers are ready to buy a model of their competitor to post a bad rating. The age of 3D models is over and people have moved on to 3D printing. You could say CGt is a service platform that harbors and connects sellers and buyers of specific digital goods, in theory there's no limit to how much people and their digital products/services they could connect. They also have multiple sellers selling the same products so that it is easier for people to avoid people paying for shipping in their country. Most of the Ts artists also moved their work over here and almost everyone knows that, just not the ones hoe are exclusive, it's not going to take too long now before they systematically start breaking the exclusive contract when they see sales going down every month and things going up over here. If anyone has been to New York they will have noticed that Fao Swartz a toy store in the center of Manhattan is creating 3D printable action figures. Same for me, here. just share your links (: I like both but prefer cgtrader all day. But for the rest i do like the way cgtrader functions, more royalty rate, easy uploading and a community forum and job board. And even if you sell the same models on other side you can advertise them as being the cheapest here. Ts just took royalty's from other items I've sold to get the money back. We've been there, even being "Squid Guild exclusive" for some time to test the experience ourselves for real, and after more than 10 years with all our experiences and stats in hand we can state without a doubt that the business model offered by Turbosquid doesn't pay off in the mid-long term. Turbosquid is the exact opposite. Why is CGTrader better? But hey thats your call, That's sad, but true. although, the 3d printing industry is growing rapidly :D. I have to agree. Not that I like it or want to have my objects "borrowed". I have it is about 5%. CGtrader is just better in all possible ways. stores with its own labels for 3D printing, 3D stock, crowdfunding, game models maybe even concept designs, sound files, storytellers, code for making apps, 3D scripts, etc) Each of this stores would then again have subcategories (e.g. Here it is quite seamless and elegant. personally CGTrader is the second site where I realize more sales, I think we should avoid generalizing his own experience. Thingiverse has allowed licenses to be transferred into another users name, which is very important option if you want to invent something and sell the ownership, else your stuck with it forever. They don't allow you to communicate with the customer, with Turbosquid support acting as a "human firewall" (and a bad one) that is constantly supervising every interaction to ensure that Turbosquid always gets the best outcome (and neither the seller nor the customer). Unlike Turbosquid which has remained practically the same since it was created and that actually has become dodgier over time as they have been adding more and more hoops for artists to jump through just to upload a basic model CGT has been great about constantly listening to it's artists needs and made great improvements! CGtrader staff admits to some degree to this problem (see the comment of Dalia Lasaite) and promises to redesign the homepage. "Even being a diamond doesnt seem to give me the benefits of sale coz TS takes so much from my sales (everyone's sale) that i would hardly call it profit or any acceptable income. Sometime buyer in frustration just leave bad review on the model for issues that can be solved easily, but since he cant contact seller he thinks he cant do anything about it and he wasted his money. If you think life is hard as a buyer you should try modeling for a living Making any money is a truly miserable experience. But i think its not only the responsability of cgtrader to turn this around. This conversation has me glued to my monitor, all very well spoken and nailed down to the core. You can download any 3d model in all popular 3d formats including MAX, OBJ, FBX, 3DS, STL, C4D, BLEND, MAYA and other. The duality of 3D printing/CGmodels is a very complex marriage. Besides how about your right to fair trade? or I can just sell on cgt and artstationm marketplace? The items from CG and TS do not appear very far from each other in Google. There is indeed much structural work that needs to be done here but the core foundation/principal is here. That is a big killer for licencing anything here that you intend to sell the licence for, leaving me with having to licence at Thingiverse first then using CGTrader as advertising or selling copies of the files only. Yes. Free models are posted for lots of different reasons, not just only to serve as an example to show of artist modeling skills/quality of work (sample data). TurboSquid. My price at the time was same both on Ts as on CGt but after some time position on CGt got better and sales was picking up. Search is terrible, and lost if you have to go backwards a page. I want to say the following. Typically, large corporate buyers, they find a way to contact me even and on TS and make an offer on a specific project. Login to PayPal to add your account as a payment method. More specifically, the 3D Model may not be exported or sold. AFAIK buyers right to be refunded is protected by law. Sales dropped to almost nothing. You can just buy and return it if it is not to your satisfaction. Thank you. I have been the victim repeatedly on TS. Change Method. Just uploading on turbosquid is a pain in the butt. - Moderating some pointless threads opened by people using CGtrader as an advertising platform for their own website without even selling a single object here Sketchfab.com-------------------------------. My current store on CGTrader includes numerous items that were deemed to be infringing upon GW IP (link below). I wont be using TurboSquid due to their royalty system and the fact that I would have to hunt down non-existing forms to prove I am not an American resident and thus avoid paying 30% govt. Buyer can contact seller directly, which can save him/her lot's of time and frustrations. Basically just like Turbosquid has done they have become the one stop shop for everything. I don't know how reputation points work for sellers, they may work fine if you're an actual modeler, but for end-users it's just a dead-end. For this, it is certainly the most pleasant place to sell models I know right now. Being an artist himself makes a huge difference in this regard. Royalty rate of CGTrader allows the seller to make a model cheaper than on TurboSquid. Escorts jaipur CGtrader website is much bather coded and it just need some time to get on top. Important detail : CGTrader allows communication between customers and sellers ! Cgtrader really goes above and beyond with the customer service side of things. I am going to start a list to promote artists who are making great models but just aren't getting the views. Fact is and I have been saying it for years is that there is a super limited amount of people who care about 3D. They said fraud protection is only reserved for exclusive sellers. High hopes for Cgtrader. When a buyer leaves a bad rating for a lame reason , TS investigate and contact the buyer and if he doesn't give a serious explanation, "don't you think that corporate client would rather choose to get support from team of profesionals that are available 24/7, than from unknown person, who might respond with big delay or not respon at all?". Buyer can contact seller directly, which can save him/her lot's of time and frustrations. - It's much easier to upload products here than at TS. How about the Royalty Rate??? I was thinking of ok if the ts is shit why not using other marketplace with the cgt specially if both accept selling in other marketplace, You have zero 3D models uploaded here. Hi John, you made very valid points. Also, trying to find an item that I already saw through the search is near impossible. I wanted to test if clients compare sites (eventually wanted to avoid clients would use the expensive Ts platform to get my items). Do not forget to check out rigged vehicles, guns and other objects, including environments, in addition to rigged characters to increase the control and interactivity you can achieve in your project. I can easily imagine that serious clients who value their time very high, might choose TS over CGT without second thought. And some may post a part of a set, and ad a link to the complete set, others may just do it to spread their work and name, etc. The people at the top of the pyramid scheme bully all the new modelers who show any sales success because they barely scrape by as it is so it is really bad work environment to work for Turbosquid is not worth your time. Like time spent on searching models or ability to get profesional support 24/7. Adult Female Jessy Rigged 3D Model 9. Doesnt matter the kind of kinky-dinky stuff the platform provides me. 2. Turbosquid has terrible royalty rates The rumour that they can "borrow" models for check-out before buy to particularly trustworthy clients could also be true. Toys (212) Buy or download free 3D models for your CG projects, film and video production, animation, visualizations, games, VR/AR, and others. Considering it as a seller, CGtrader is NOT better because I have almost no sales at all while I have about 10 sales every month on TS. Hi there, just want to ask about the artstation store, do they have a condition of not selling on other store? If CGT would manage to draw more buyers from TS then even more sellers would migrate here. Think about the kind of treatment you can expect from these soulless corporate hacks once they can play their monopoly game again. On TS buyer cant do such thing, he needs to contact support on TS. So in this case you could say we are the asses and there's lots of us so we form a huge ass and CGt can place many chairs for us to sit on ;-) While i've heard that TS support isn't that great in practice and they always tend to exploit sellers, but impression that they're making on buyers must be really good. Site issues? I do agree with you regarding the search engine. Plus, if you express constructive ideas on the forums, you know you'll get listened to. [google][http://www.google.com|google4 ] I can't download that lamp and see it's quality myself - so why would I purchase anything from the creator when I don't know if I'll be satisfied? CGtrader is more in line with modern economics and following the model of open participation businesses, all these things make it have the hallmarks of successfully serving a growing team with highly ambitious members and top talented achievers (and also stronger support of the CG community itself). Site issues? I think we just need so some massive killer models of epic proportions that the 3D modeling community cant ignore. If any of you think this is a show of strength from Matt Wisdom and his Corporate brother Andy, think twice. Our "power struggles" with Turbosquid stopped the moment Matt Wisdom banned our account and we stoped doing business, however that doesn't alter our will to expose this kind of business practices. I see no point in closing when you might as well keep it open and get a couple sales. Thank you again! Rigged 3D models are available in Autodesk 3ds Max (.max), Maya (.ma), Softimage (.xsi), Cinema 4D (.c4d) and many other file formats. CGt embraces all modern communication technologies which is critical to establish such a place. and it's not a check-out, it's simply a gift. If the buyer decided to buy after inspecting a sample, the seller would deduct the sample price from another 3d model. Another thing that drove me crazy about Turbosquid was how you couldn't promote any of your social media and it made it very difficult to get your clients from let's say Facebook and Twitter to notice your artwork. Every freelancer is corporation of it's own. Any more than 500,000 polygons in one scene and that will make opening and closing it a really long process not to mention that if you trying to animate something in the scene you may have to keep hiding things in various layers or create the animation in a separate one. captainmarlowe is right. We made this limitation to protect our designers from leechers who download hundreds of free models and then try to monetize them in some other way. Search is terrible, and lost if you have to go backwards a page. If you look at the traffic statistics, TS ranks around 9k top sites, and CGT at around 42k, so obviously, people buy more at TS not because they want to spoil the sellers, but rather because they don't come to CGTrader enough and their first place to search is TS. With only a few days on CG trader, i can already see it is miles ahead of turbosquid. but outside of the fact cgtrader is 95% designers and 5% customers its way better and easier to use more professional looking and feeling. Well, unless I can verify the quality of the model I'm not going to pay for most things. But there are questions that are not achievable for TS, and they will not go to such steps, and it is this: 1. Your account is not in CGtrader and I can't see your models, and judging by the link in your comment you are just a spammer. Open a Support Ticket, Licensing questions?Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager. (e.g. 60% is an insult. I left the turbosquid from Diamond level . So then people can actually customize and make cool toys and sell them on there. TS removes this rating. A client would normally ALWAYS choose a cheaper price, that's a law of nature. --GENERAL--. Luckily, non of my sells on TS were refunded so far and i had 3 refunds on CGT, 2 of them was caused by technical reasons from CGT side. CGtrader might have better conditions, rules and everything but it's useless if it doesn't attract more buyers. This is hight quality female model with animation friendly topology. But this is perhaps the only plus turbosquid. Thanks again guys, and let us know if you have any further comments or questions. It would be mess. (I prefer not to learn/spent time to handle all the different 3D applications and conversions) Send of two customers so far (here on CGt), hoe asked for a maya version of this model. My sales are not still on par with TS, but I haven't published new models for quite some time, because I only have time to create models to enter challenges from time to time. If I am searching for a 3D model, I am not interested in 3D printing services, and vice versa. They often would ask me to just send them a model through email and pay me through paypal like in the old days. Looks to me like they are providing a very content creator friendly environment. When someone uploads a scanned model for 3D printing and tags it as "low poly", the model will appear even where it shouldn't. TS is simply in decline getting worse and worse. I'm planing to start new discussion on this topic in near future, so i won't go into details here, i'll just ask did anybody tried to enter same keywords in TS and CGT search field? If CGT wants to play big and attract high quality traffic and designers/buyers, it has to invite the sellers to opt for a more mature approach in my humble opinion. We finally have some real genuine completion for the best sales platform. In regards to product awareness and marketing it is also nice to have some special user cases to show off, there is no room to collect user case data in the Ts model. And in terms of openness and freedom CGTrader is the first. To my repliers: I stumbled across the same issues! No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. [quote]2. So let's hope that at some point, the designers of the site will establish some filters to guarantee a minimal quality and, why not, a "good practice charter" for the sellers, or that they will explain some sellers that their attitude is not good in the long term for the site credibility. I have met a bunch of really good artists here that I have had the pleasure of working with. Rigged models are great for art projects, games, movies or VR experiences, because they save a lot of development time. The biggest problem with TS is that it is a pyramid scheme if you have a diamond account you have a good chance of selling models but at the low levels you have no chance.
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